Probably not true?

If you’re on Facebook or other social media service, you may well have seen this, which has been doing the rounds lately. It even made the Independent:


Ah – those pesky Victorians, eh? Always breaking the rules and poking fun at officialdom.

Hmm. Something smells iffy here (probably due to the fish-bender doing his work), so let’s look more deeply into this

First off, I tried to get in touch with Jeff Kacirk. You can see his name bottom left. He writes things about olde Englishe, so that bit kind of fits, but it seems that he hasn’t given us a book since 2005, although what he has given us looks very interesting.  This list has that ‘© 2015’ thing there. And then, in addition, his books aren’t published by Sellers Publishing, Inc.
I’m still awaiting a reply. [No longer – see below]

Next, I tried (bottom right). It’s a card and gift site. I couldn’t find this particular card/book/page anywhere on there, though. Dead end.

So then, I got inventive. I got in touch with the London Genealogical Society. Except, I didn’t, because the LGS doesn’t exist. Hmm. There is a Society of Genealogists in London though, and one of their researchers got back to me with this reply.

I saw this too and was intrigued and had a look in our magazine and archives and tried to follow up the reference from Jeff Kacirk’s website and book but couldn’t get anywhere. It’s nothing that I am aware we ever published and we are not the London Genealogical Society.

This seems to be falling apart at every level, doesn’t it? But there’s still no evidence that it’s not real. So I had a look at some of the language. Well, there were certainly railways, turnips, midgets and cows around back then. (And let’s get this straight out up-front: a cow-banger was simply another name for a farm hand working with cattle.)

Goldfish? Probably – they were introduced into Europe (via Portugal) in or around 1611. So you could conceivably have caught them in Britain in 1881.
Sampler of Drugs – well, yes, the pharmaceutical industry was booming, but would an 1881 Briton have called them “drugs”?
Probably not – there were other far more popular words for those sort of things back then:

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I knew about the knocker-up. That was a profession in which an individual would wake others for work in the days before alarm clocks were a widespread thing. This would still have been an important job in 1881, and is only included because of its amusing connotations about pregnancy, I would imagine. *snigger*

Waller is an interesting one. Either someone that makes walls (durr!) or someone extracting salt from seawater, or even:

it may be a nickname for a “good humoured person”, from the Norman word “wall(i)er”, cheerful, merry.

Random” was also rather unusual word to use back in 1881 though.
Which is, you know, a bit… random.

And then there’s the Electric BathThere are two options here: the one where the patient is immersed in water and a small electrical charge is passed through the water, thus advancing the spread of alternative medicine and pseudoscience, and then one which was an early form of tanning bed, with many UV lights under a cover, beneath which the patient lay. There were examples of this latter device in the spa on the Titanic, though I don’t think they can be blamed for the events of 15 April 1912. There’s fair evidence that at least one of these would have been around in the early 1880s.

So, much circumstantial evidence that this isn’t real, but nothing concrete. Perhaps the best evidence for this not being genuine is the Victorian people themselves though. Presumably those who were well enough educated to come up with such ‘witty’ answers would also be those who were more tightly bound by Victorian etiquette to answer honestly and correctly.

As I mentioned above, I’m waiting for Mr Kacirk to fill me in on his role in this, but until that evidence is produced, I’m leaning gently into the “fake” camp.

I’ll keep you informed.

UPDATE: And here’s the inform, as promised:

Incoming from the man himself, Jeffrey Kacirk:

Mr 6000,
Truth can be stranger than fiction. Those job titles came from an exhibit at the Museum of London about 15 years ago. I’m glad lots of people are getting to see them. Thanks for letting me know.
All the best,

Well, there you go – perhaps not from exactly the same place as we were led to believe, but – and I swear that this came straight from the horse-tickler’s mouth… or something… apparently true.

One learns something new each and every day.

2 thoughts on “Probably not true?

  1. Dear 6000,

    I’d like to make a few corrections on some things you stated. I am a marketing manager at Sellers Publishing, Inc.. We are not simply a “card and gift” site, as stated in your post. WE are a 23 year old, award-winning publisher of books, calendars, greeting cards and stationery.

    I’m not sure why you couldn’t find Jeff Kacirk’s work on our site. I tested the search function and typed in, “Forgotten English” and it brought up the boxed daily wall calendar we published this year:
    This boxed daily calendar did well this year!

    The web address is printed on the back of our calendars and it is a redirect to our website so we can track how our visitors found us.

    You also state, “And then, in addition, his books aren’t published by Sellers Publishing, Inc.”
    While you could not have known this y looking at our website, we are very excited about the new release of Mr. Kacirk’s book, The Best Of Forgotten English, which we do publish. It will be available September 2016, but is currently available for pre-order on Amazon:

    I hope this information helps set the record straight. Thank you.
    fbaker2016, Sellers publishing

  2. Faith Baker > Well, that told me in no uncertain terms, didn’t it? Golly. Where to begin?

    Well, perhaps with your only valid point…
    I have no idea why I couldn’t find Jeff’s work on the website either. But I did try, albeit not under the product name. Because I didn’t know the product existed, so I couldn’t search for it. I’m glad it sold lots of units though. If this snippet is anything to go by, it should be very interesting.

    But then…
    I never said that Sellers Publishing was a card and gift site. I said that was a card and gift site. I said that because it is a card and gift site. I just went and looked again, and the thing I was looking at when was in the URL bar was a card and gift site.
    I stand by my statement that is a card and gift site. No matter who owns it or what they call it.

    And also…
    I hope Jeff’s new book does very well for both him and your company. However, I was unaware that your company were publishing it (in 6 months time) probably because my crystal ball had got a smudge on it where the beagle had licked some muffin crumbs from the otherwise pristine surface, and I’m fresh out of Windowlene. This sort of thing has happened previously and has cost me dearly on the Lotto several times already. I need to sort something out, either with the muffins or the beagle. My money is on the latter.
    Additionally, I’m still only in the 3rd week of my telepathy course – we had an (entirely foreseen) break for Easter – so I’m still struggling to read minds outside the greater Cape Town area. Just you wait til June though – I’m going to be able to tell which foreign companies are running card, gift and book selling sites and who publishers are going to be publishing well into 2017, just by telepathically communicating with card, gift and book site marketing managers all over the world.
    And don’t think that I need to read minds to know that you’re pretty excited about that, hey?

    Like you, I hope the record – be it your record or my record – is firmly set straight now.
    No-one likes a wavering record. Although “record waverer” would have been another excellent addition to Jeff’s list of unusual jobs, don’t you think?

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